Suffering and [Catholic Jihadists]

Normally, in this day and age, Jihadism is associated with Muslims in Israel, teenagers and women who wear bombs and board busses in Israel.  But Jihadism can be [political] cultural [buddhist] usa democrats or republicans.  It is the “spirit” of something, not just the outward appearance.

YESHUA speaking:  yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.  ….  The thief [Ha Satan] cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy

Suffering is in two parts: part 1 the Doctrine of Suffering for those who believe.  Note this is generally NOT preached by the Ecclesia in the USA.  China yes, USA no.  Part 2 is R rated, even X rated, and concerns examples of Catholic Jihadists.  Please note, not all Catholics are Jihadists.  Nor all Muslims.  Nor all Democrats etc.

Doctrine of Suffering

Hebrews 6:2   OF the Doctrine of baptism(s)

Suffering Foundational to Christian Living

But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with:

The CROSS, a baptism of suffering.  He who knew no sin was made to BE sin for us

In some way he became every vile despicable sin known to mankind, including our own vile disgusting unregenerate sins?  What suffering for the Only Begotten to carry on our behalf, as it is written:  For the JOY that was set before him, he Despised The SHAME of the Cross.  For You and I.

Short Note: The Two disciples who wanted to drink of the cup and baptism of suffering.  When is the Last time you heard suffering preached about?  A foundation of the doctrine Of Messiah Yeshua [the Lord Jesus]

 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

It CAN be the Will of GOD for us to suffer for well doing….

 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you;

but rejoice inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings, that, when His glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Any pastors out there who can unpack the above, your help would be appreciated.  Rejoice — Rejoice ??  inasmuch as ye are   partakers of  Christ’s sufferings, that, when His glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Almost sounds like we are Called to suffer. 😊

Yea, and all that will 
live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Ahh, we get down to it.  IF we    live godly    in Christ Jesus we shall suffer persecution.

Not being a pastor, not sure how one would present this to a fold.  A measure of godly living is whether you suffer persecution.  WHO 😊 wants to be persecuted?

Oh, a disciple is willing.

But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with:

Note for pastors:

Would this apply?  If I or anyone is not embraced with an understanding of the doctrine of Christ, in this case, the doctrine of suffering — is this why some fall away?

 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.

They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

Feed my sheep HE said.  Feed my lambs HE said.

Part II – Catholic Jihadists.  The Waldenses were those who believed the bible but would not bow to the Pope or their false rendition of the Virgin Mary.  Politics were also involved, believe it or not, it dealt with Land being confiscated for the Pope’s minions.  Ahh, the lure of money.

If you are under eighteen, do not read the following, if you are easily offended by the sufferings of others, do not read the following.  The inquisition was no light thing.  Off the Internet.


The Waldenses were living in the valleys of Piedmont in the seventeenth century. The Church exercised its authority on the Duke Charles Emmanuel II of Savoy who ordered that the Vaudois region should be reduced. The attorney of the Duke in 1655 ordered all of them to become Roman Catholics or lose their property and lives. The army used to enforce the order was made up of Frenchmen from Louis XIV’s army and Irishmen who had fled from Cromwell. The people were treated with horrible barbarity.

Before long, mobs were rampaging over the estates of the Waldenses. After the men had been killed or chased into the mountains, the women were beheaded and their children had their brains dashed out. In the towns of Villaro and Bolbio, those over 15 years old who refused mass were crucified upside down. Younger children were throttled.

Nothing now could be seen but the face of horror and despair. Blood stained the floors of houses, dead bodies strewed the streets, groans and cries were heard from all parts.

 The Duke’s soldiers were even worse. They made a point of mutilating any Waldensian that they caught before they killed them. Often they were simply left to die of their wounds, or of starvation, because they were too injured to move to seek nourishment. Mary Reymondet had her flesh stripped from her bones slice by slice in a manner reminiscent of Hypatia, a thousand years before. She died in a frightful state. Giovanni Pelanchion was tied with one leg to a mule and was dragged through the town while pelted with stones. Ann Charboniere was impaled with a stake and left to die.


Torture of the Waldenses of the Piedmont


Others were suspended from trees or the beams of their own homes by iron hooks stuck through their abdomens. Bartholemew Frasche had holes bored through his heels, through which a rope was passed and he was dragged to a dungeon and left to die. Daniel Rambart had a joint of a finger or toe amputated each day. Some people had packets of gunpowder forced into their mouths and lit. Drowning, suffocation and burning at the stake were all common. Sara Rastignole des Vignes refused to recite Jesus Maria so had a sickle stuck into her vagina. Martha Constantine was raped and killed by having her breasts cut off.

A servant of Jacopo Michalino was tortured by being stabbed many times in the souls of his feet and in his ears. Then his penis was cut off and the bleeding wound cauterized with a candle, so that he did not bleed to death and would suffer longer. Then his torturers tore off his nails with hot pincers. Still he would not recant his religion, so they tied him to a mule and dragged him through the streets of Bolbio. Finally, they killed him by tying a staff to his head with cords and twisting it off his body.

Children were killed in front of their parents by being decapitated or cut to pieces. Mary Pelanchion was hung naked from a bridge and used as target practice. Cypriana Bastia said he would rather be dead than a Catholic, so he was half-starved with some dogs and then fed to them. Jacopo de Ronc had his nails pulled out by red hot pincers, then was led through the streets being alternately bludgeoned and having a strip of flesh cut from him.

These murders continued in the Piedmont valleys until they were almost depopulated. Those who were not tortured to death but fled to the mountains died there of starvation or disease. Despite the outrage of Protestant Europe, the army of occupation remained, and Vaudois worship was curtailed. Their chief pastor, Leger, had to flee to Leyden where he wrote his History of the Vaudois Church (1684). The Waldensians survived until the sixteenth century, when they joined the Protestant Reformation.

Scripture: Hebrews 11:36-40

And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. 

Note: The verse above is not a perfect context, but It applies in general.  A point being made is that Jihadism is a [spirit of devils] whether it operate in Christian, Muslim or political parties, cultural parties such as elements of antifa or black lives matter.  Satan co-opts    any   group for evil willing to bend to his will.  He “loves” working thru atheists in political parties.  Jihadism is against the preaching of the Cross.  Against there being one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who is also the mystery of godliness.

 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us

Note: Great suffering has been written about.  Yet, the Glory which shall be revealed in us when Messiah returns is such that the suffering is not worth being brought up.  I have read about women holding fast to the testimony of Jesus, then raped, then being skinned alive and left for the dogs to eat.  Unspeakable suffering – not even worthy to be compared to the Glory which shall be revealed in us.



Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.  Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven